Post by darthbane on Apr 29, 2008 20:14:19 GMT -5
I saw this on the board and thought it would be awesome to get involved in!(I'm like the board surfer. HEY, Why don't we have an alliance chat section?
So last night the height of boredom hit me and I decided kS need to go to war, this was met with an interesting mix of responses generally stating "Ram you're insane, but I'm bored and all for war!"
We were gonna declare war against a Top 10 alliance, but didn't want everyone else turning on us because they were like 5 ranks below us (despite outnumbering us 3 to 1) as this has happened in other universes. Diplomacy and keeping your friends friends is important in this game. So we tried a proposal for a Top 3 Fleeters alliance verse the next 20 Fleeters alliance, and this was met with mixed reactions, again reflecting on the fact people would see it as being massive bullies/akin to genocide against the lesser alliances, despite it being teh top 10% of players mixed up against each other largely leaving the lesser 90% in peace to advance for a while. Like 64 players to 380 odd plyers would be the player ranks, and outnumbered fleet and points wise 2 to 1 against us, but still not a good reception to the idea, so after frederick Soul suggested we do a kS Verse Saints Alliance Tournament, involving, as predictable as anything fleet DF of 10% or more as the points, I thought about this and went:
"You know what, I HATE how the boards, Gameforge and Fleeters are all about ogame being purely about Fleets and Fleeting. If that's the case, why are there turtles, nukers, miners, traders, farmers, random insane people who do stupid fun things, and then fleeters? If we are to do this thing, it needs to encompass ALL styles of play in ogame."
And then it hit me.
Profit.
Lets do an alliance Tournament based on Total profits. NOT Total Damage. In this way, we can get fleeters, farmers, and traders all involved in the Tournament and all members of an alliance contributing or able to contribute as opposed to half the alliance only.
So here is a Proposal for an Alliance Tournament, and ALL Alliances are welcome to participate.
We play for a target Profits.
1.5 Billion Metal; 1 Billion Crystal; 500 Million Deuterium. Profits.
Essentially, we are playing a Tournament to see who gets richer faster.
Fleeters involved from fleeting - profits froma DF as well as raided planets gives their proportion of contribution.
Farmers - Farm planets, for profit, hence their contribution.
Nukers - Nuke/crash fleet then farm, for profits, so have a contribution.
Traders - Trade for Profit.
Now, the Trading part is the more difficult part. I am a miner/farmer/trader mostly these days, and trading I am excelling at. As a trader you have contacts and regular people you trade to all the time, and in alot of cases you don't want other traders finding out who those contacts are as you can make a profit off your trades, all legally within the bounds of the trade ratio's assuming you can make the right contacts and can play the game correctly. We don't want our businesses ruined by publicly exposing who we traded to, so the Trade aspect of this Tournament comes down to honesty.
A Trader posts up a deduction in the resources he trades away and an addition on those he recieves to the alliances' current totals. All they need post is a statement that at this time so much res was delievered in trade, and so much was recieved in trade, use the PM's ingame and just edit out locations it was sent and recieved to. Simple.
Miners are then left out on mining, but they can trade. Mines do not count, they are the resources you gain daily without doing anything. trading takes skill and time, and to profit off it takes patience as well, but in this way miners are able to contribute also to the Tournament as proposed.
So I would like your feedback people, would you and your alliances take part in this Alliance Tournament as proposed?
Ram Rock Ed First, Irradiated Killer Sandwich.
They aren't big on a war verse all the lower ranked alliances mentioned, because diplomacy goes bad from then on out, Cu didn't want lower ranked alliances suddenly realising they can farm a higher ranked player daily say 8 times each rotated to absolutely screw over the advancement of a larger player, and I agree there. Lesser alliances are dumb in that way!
So a proposal for a Tournament, not a War, as a War is one side verse the other, just a Tournament like the Player Tournament except between kS and Saints.
I dislike the emphasis all fleeters and the boards and gameforge place on fleeting as the ONLY way to play the game and will not participate in a Tournament that is all about the df or TD done, i want to see something DIFFERENT, where all the miners, and traders can take part that also makes the tournament more enjoyable and just as competitive.
Victory is based off of who gets to the target PROFITS of all resources first.
Eg: 1.5 billion metal, 1 billion crystal, 500 million deuterium.
Profits are counted only, so for fleeting and farming (inactives don't count) it's straight forward as before.
For Trading, it gets interesting. It is an honesty based system, as no one who trades and prfits from it wants to reveal who they trade to as they would go out of business (Pax understands, made 1kk deut in front of him last night!) fast. So Trading would factor in, you MINUS what you sell and ADD what you get from the trade. This way we can track our economic growth, and also gloat as to who is the richer alliance when it comes down to all aspects of the game (mined resources don't count as that's constant and not something you actually need to do work for).
So what are your thoughts people?
Are you up for a Tournament between Saints and Ourselves, based on pure profits made to a target, or are you more interested in a boring old are that only half of us can particpate in?
Ram.
So last night the height of boredom hit me and I decided kS need to go to war, this was met with an interesting mix of responses generally stating "Ram you're insane, but I'm bored and all for war!"
We were gonna declare war against a Top 10 alliance, but didn't want everyone else turning on us because they were like 5 ranks below us (despite outnumbering us 3 to 1) as this has happened in other universes. Diplomacy and keeping your friends friends is important in this game. So we tried a proposal for a Top 3 Fleeters alliance verse the next 20 Fleeters alliance, and this was met with mixed reactions, again reflecting on the fact people would see it as being massive bullies/akin to genocide against the lesser alliances, despite it being teh top 10% of players mixed up against each other largely leaving the lesser 90% in peace to advance for a while. Like 64 players to 380 odd plyers would be the player ranks, and outnumbered fleet and points wise 2 to 1 against us, but still not a good reception to the idea, so after frederick Soul suggested we do a kS Verse Saints Alliance Tournament, involving, as predictable as anything fleet DF of 10% or more as the points, I thought about this and went:
"You know what, I HATE how the boards, Gameforge and Fleeters are all about ogame being purely about Fleets and Fleeting. If that's the case, why are there turtles, nukers, miners, traders, farmers, random insane people who do stupid fun things, and then fleeters? If we are to do this thing, it needs to encompass ALL styles of play in ogame."
And then it hit me.
Profit.
Lets do an alliance Tournament based on Total profits. NOT Total Damage. In this way, we can get fleeters, farmers, and traders all involved in the Tournament and all members of an alliance contributing or able to contribute as opposed to half the alliance only.
So here is a Proposal for an Alliance Tournament, and ALL Alliances are welcome to participate.
We play for a target Profits.
1.5 Billion Metal; 1 Billion Crystal; 500 Million Deuterium. Profits.
Essentially, we are playing a Tournament to see who gets richer faster.
Fleeters involved from fleeting - profits froma DF as well as raided planets gives their proportion of contribution.
Farmers - Farm planets, for profit, hence their contribution.
Nukers - Nuke/crash fleet then farm, for profits, so have a contribution.
Traders - Trade for Profit.
Now, the Trading part is the more difficult part. I am a miner/farmer/trader mostly these days, and trading I am excelling at. As a trader you have contacts and regular people you trade to all the time, and in alot of cases you don't want other traders finding out who those contacts are as you can make a profit off your trades, all legally within the bounds of the trade ratio's assuming you can make the right contacts and can play the game correctly. We don't want our businesses ruined by publicly exposing who we traded to, so the Trade aspect of this Tournament comes down to honesty.
A Trader posts up a deduction in the resources he trades away and an addition on those he recieves to the alliances' current totals. All they need post is a statement that at this time so much res was delievered in trade, and so much was recieved in trade, use the PM's ingame and just edit out locations it was sent and recieved to. Simple.
Miners are then left out on mining, but they can trade. Mines do not count, they are the resources you gain daily without doing anything. trading takes skill and time, and to profit off it takes patience as well, but in this way miners are able to contribute also to the Tournament as proposed.
So I would like your feedback people, would you and your alliances take part in this Alliance Tournament as proposed?
Ram Rock Ed First, Irradiated Killer Sandwich.
They aren't big on a war verse all the lower ranked alliances mentioned, because diplomacy goes bad from then on out, Cu didn't want lower ranked alliances suddenly realising they can farm a higher ranked player daily say 8 times each rotated to absolutely screw over the advancement of a larger player, and I agree there. Lesser alliances are dumb in that way!
So a proposal for a Tournament, not a War, as a War is one side verse the other, just a Tournament like the Player Tournament except between kS and Saints.
I dislike the emphasis all fleeters and the boards and gameforge place on fleeting as the ONLY way to play the game and will not participate in a Tournament that is all about the df or TD done, i want to see something DIFFERENT, where all the miners, and traders can take part that also makes the tournament more enjoyable and just as competitive.
Victory is based off of who gets to the target PROFITS of all resources first.
Eg: 1.5 billion metal, 1 billion crystal, 500 million deuterium.
Profits are counted only, so for fleeting and farming (inactives don't count) it's straight forward as before.
For Trading, it gets interesting. It is an honesty based system, as no one who trades and prfits from it wants to reveal who they trade to as they would go out of business (Pax understands, made 1kk deut in front of him last night!) fast. So Trading would factor in, you MINUS what you sell and ADD what you get from the trade. This way we can track our economic growth, and also gloat as to who is the richer alliance when it comes down to all aspects of the game (mined resources don't count as that's constant and not something you actually need to do work for).
So what are your thoughts people?
Are you up for a Tournament between Saints and Ourselves, based on pure profits made to a target, or are you more interested in a boring old are that only half of us can particpate in?
Ram.